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10/5/2017 10:00:17 PMAre Tubbies Christians? 
tonysattva
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If you believe in the Urantia Book are you a christian?




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10/5/2017 10:06:52 PMAre Tubbies Christians? 

ludlowlowell
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They are heretical Christians, yes.

10/5/2017 10:15:46 PMAre Tubbies Christians? 
tonysattva
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I dont think they are. They should have checked other when it comes to religion.

10/5/2017 10:24:57 PMAre Tubbies Christians? 

followjesusonly
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Quote from tonysattva:
If you believe in the Urantia Book are you a christian?


Yes, probably, like Christian v.2.0.

I believe in the Trinity, I believe in God the Father, I believe Jesus is God's divine Son, I believe Jesus is the Savior, I believe in the crucifixion and the resurrection. Are you saying I am not a Christian? Who made you the arbiter of such things?

You should be more concerned with whether or not cathlicks are Christians. Real Christians don't pray to Mary and other dead people, and real Christians don't call priests, "Father" and bow down in front of statuary.


cathlick idolaters

10/5/2017 10:27:53 PMAre Tubbies Christians? 

followjesusonly
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Quote from tonysattva:
I dont think they are. They should have checked other when it comes to religion.


What is the official criteria from Christian Headquarters for being a Christian? Can you say? Or show me the link to The Official Christian Website where such things can be found.

10/5/2017 10:28:30 PMAre Tubbies Christians? 

ludlowlowell
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It could be argued that they are heretics but it also could ve argued that their belief in 700,000 gods is a throwback to paganism.

10/5/2017 10:36:41 PMAre Tubbies Christians? 
tonysattva
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Quote from followjesusonly:
What is the official criteria from Christian Headquarters for being a Christian? Can you say? Or show me the link to The Official Christian Website where such things can be found.


Its a fairly well established religion.

But I think a good place to start is with the New Testament and TUB.

What do you read more the TUB or NT?

What do you quote more on this forum TUB or or NT?

What do you really believe in TUB or the NT?

10/5/2017 10:53:13 PMAre Tubbies Christians? 

iyamwutiyam
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Quote from followjesusonly:
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Real Christians don't pray to Mary and other dead people,...

Yes they do. Jesus is dead just like his mom and dad.

10/5/2017 11:27:52 PMAre Tubbies Christians? 

followjesusonly
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Quote from tonysattva:
Its a fairly well established religion.


A fairly well established religion? And so what if true? Does fairly well established indicate truthfulness to you? Or just an absense of birth control? A fairly well established religion should have an established headquarters and an established authority. Please direct me to them. and to that. Send me to the President of Christianity's website.

You answer my questions first and I'll answer yours then, maybe.

You say you're a Buddhist? But below you seem to set up the NT as some sort of benchmark or litmus test for being a Christian. As a Buddhist, how is it that you are able to suggest the NT is the litmus test? Part IV of The Urantia Book, the last 700 pages, are The Life and Teachings of Jesus. They are from the Universe records that God's angels keep of such things. Part IV of The Urantia Book is what the NT should have been, about the life and teachings of Jesus. But Ludlow the cathlick says that the NT isn't really about Jesus anyway. He says, "What is the New Testament, except a history of the early days of the Catholic Church?" It's all about the cathlick church, for Ludlow. No, there's nothing like that in The Urantia Book. It REALLY is about Jesus, not about Paul or the "church." And there's no eating the flesh of Jesus or drinking his blood in The Urantia Book either.

But I think a good place to start is with the New Testament and TUB.

What do you read more the TUB or NT?

What do you quote more on this forum TUB or or NT?

What do you really believe in TUB or the NT?


A "good place to start," for what?

On this forum, I think I quote more of the NT, except when I'm posting to The Troll, yammer. Then I'm often inclined to post reams and reams from The Urantia Book. I quote more from the NT if I'm directing my posts to Ludlow the Scrupulous cathlick because he's a wolf in sheep's clothing, he says he follows Jesus but in actuality he does not. He's a phony cathlick who does evil. Even his pope has said so:

"We Catholics have some — and not some, many — who believe they possess the absolute truth and go ahead dirtying the other with calumny, with disinformation, and doing evil. They do evil. I say this because it is my Church." [The pope] further added that "fundamentalism is more idolatry than actual religion, warning that 'ideas and false certainties' can take the place of faith, love, and God." -Pope Francis

And Ludlow the Malcontent says: "[Pope] Francis is an utter idiot and is one of the worst popes in history."

I already told you what I "really believe" in the NT or in TUB. I believe in the Trinity, I believe in God the Father, I believe Jesus is God's divine Son, I believe Jesus is the Savior, I believe in the crucifixion and the resurrection. I think all those things are the same in TUB and in the bible. So tell me again how I am not a Christian and how you are qualified to arbitrate such things as a Johnny-come-lately Buddhist to the forum who certainly has not read The Urantia Book and who probably has not read the NT either.

And as a Buddhist, why is it your business to be giving me the Inquisitional Third Degree about these things? Seriously, I don't have to prove anything to you and I am not trying to sell you anything. In that way we're certainly not Christian. As far as we're concerned, you have to read it [the book] to believe it. You're on your own. I'm not in the convincing business. Christians do that. We don't. That policy (YOU HAVE TO READ IT TO BELIEVE IT) keeps out the riff-raff and the non-serious people.

10/5/2017 11:53:00 PMAre Tubbies Christians? 
tonysattva
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So you believe in the virgin birth.

Do you think the state of Mary's hymen matters?

10/5/2017 11:56:03 PMAre Tubbies Christians? 
tonysattva
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And what denomination of Christian are Tubbies?

Im thinking Baptist.

But I would think you guys would be better off as catholics.

Now days The Church is way more tolerant of alternative ideas.

They are way more open minded.

10/6/2017 12:05:14 AMAre Tubbies Christians? 

followjesusonly
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Quote from tonysattva:
So you believe in the virgin birth.


Is that a question? Do they use question marks in your Buddhist religion?

No, I do not believe in the virgin birth.

Do you think the state of Mary's hymen matters?


The state of Mary's hymen only matters to Mary and possibly to Joseph. It's her business, not mine. No, it doesn't matter to me.

10/6/2017 12:12:57 AMAre Tubbies Christians? 

followjesusonly
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Quote from tonysattva:
And what denomination of Christian are Tubbies?

Im thinking Baptist.


If we are a denomination, we would obviously be "Urantian" or "Jesusonian." Baptist? Are you kidding?

But I would think you guys would be better off as catholics.


The cathlick church is an abomination. I would not be better off as a cathlick. Been there, done that. “Free at last, Free at last, Thank God almighty we are free at last.” -MLK, Jr.

Now days The Church is way more tolerant of alternative ideas.

They are way more open minded.


Way more open minded than what? "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss"?

They haven't changed a bit. They've simply had to suppress their desire for world domination, murder, and religious tyranny. "Outside the Catholic Church there is no salvation." -Ludlow the cathlick

10/6/2017 1:46:56 AMAre Tubbies Christians? 
tonysattva
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Quote from followjesusonly:
The state of Mary's hymen only matters to Mary and possibly to Joseph. It's her business, not mine. No, it doesn't matter to me.


You dont believe in the virgin birth?

So you are a cafeteria christian.

You pick and choose what parts of the faith to believe.

10/6/2017 1:53:19 AMAre Tubbies Christians? 
tonysattva
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Also can you explain TUB's take on the resurrection?

Im a little confused.

What is The Morontia Transit?

10/6/2017 2:38:18 AMAre Tubbies Christians? 

followjesusonly
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Quote from iyamwutiyam:
Yes they do. Jesus is dead just like his mom and dad.


Perhaps.

10/6/2017 3:11:13 AMAre Tubbies Christians? 

followjesusonly
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Quote from tonysattva:
You dont believe in the virgin birth?


No.

So you are a cafeteria christian.


No. There are a lot of thoughtful religious people who don't believe in the virgin birth. Again, please direct me to The Official Christian Website where it says I have to believe in the virgin birth in order to be a Christian. The virgin birth is what Jesus referred to as "signs and wonders," and he did not like them.

"Except ye see signs and wonders, ye will not believe." (John 4:48)

The virgin birth is a man made story for attracting pagans and others. It's a doctrine of men. It has nothing to do with God. And The Urantia Book, being a new revelation from God's government, corrects that old record. You sound like a candidate for cathlickism yourself. I'm sorry if some Christians believe in wrong things like the virgin birth, but my not believing the wrong things they believe does not make me a "cafeteria christian." It makes me a true follower of Jesus. Perhaps you just want to quibble about whether or not I am a Christian. I guess that's OK.

You pick and choose what parts of the faith to believe.


All religions have some of the truth. Everyone picks and chooses. cathlicks pick and choose and Protestants pick and choose. That's why there are thousands of Christian sects. And there is no one "faith." What you call "Christianity" is not a unified body. Again, thousands of different sects, all claiming to be the one true one, and no one will talk to any other but their own. You probably pick and choose from one branch of Buddhism from another.

This is the truth of the matter, below.

122:5.8 When Joseph was a young man, he was employed by Mary’s father in the work of building an addition to his house, and it was when Mary brought Joseph a cup of water, during a noontime meal, that the courtship of the pair who were destined to become the parents of Jesus really began.

122:5.9 Joseph and Mary were married, in accordance with Jewish custom, at Mary’s home in the environs of Nazareth when Joseph was twenty-one years old. This marriage concluded a normal courtship of almost two years’ duration. Shortly thereafter they moved into their new home in Nazareth, which had been built by Joseph with the assistance of two of his brothers. The house was located near the foot of the near-by elevated land which so charmingly overlooked the surrounding countryside. In this home, especially prepared, these young and expectant parents had thought to welcome the child of promise, little realizing that this momentous event of a universe was to transpire while they would be absent from home in Bethlehem of Judea. -The Urantia Book


Why would I want to believe the virgin birth myth if it's not the truth? Why would I believe the virgin birth story when I know it's wrong? Just to placate you and your attempt to paint me as a "cafeteria Christian"? I already told you why I am a Christian. I believe in the Trinity, I believe in God the Father, I believe Jesus is God's divine Son, I believe Jesus is the Savior, I believe in the crucifixion and the resurrection.

I am a follower of Jesus, not a follower of the bible.

10/6/2017 3:16:05 AMAre Tubbies Christians? 

followjesusonly
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*
Back to this for a minute:

tony said:
But I think a good place to start is with the New Testament and TUB.

====================================================================
And I replied:

A "good place to start," for what?

Do you know that this forum is not the Christian Forum/Group?

There is another forum for them.

This forum is the Religion forum, open to all religions, even yours.

The DH Christian Group is here, but you're not allowed to post there.

http://www.iguniter.cf/forum-5081.htm

10/6/2017 3:26:23 AMAre Tubbies Christians? 
tonysattva
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Ok so you are a cafeteria christian.

Because I remember a few years back you had a problem with catholics who picked and choosed what parts of the catachism they believed in.

You kept on asking "how are you catholic" when you dont believe in the virgin birth or ressurection.

I quess its alright for you to pick and choose but not for others.

Seems kind of hypocritical.

Anyway what about the Morontia Transit?

10/6/2017 3:27:19 AMAre Tubbies Christians? 
tonysattva
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Again please explain The Morontia Transit?

I would like to understand.

10/6/2017 3:29:36 AMAre Tubbies Christians? 

followjesusonly
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Quote from tonysattva:
Also can you explain TUB's take on the resurrection?


Yes, I can probably explain it. Do you have any specific questions so that I have a place to start?

Im a little confused.


OK, no problem.

What is The Morontia Transit?


As I understand it, it's the after-life-on-earth journey we all take from here through the "Mansion Worlds" that Jesus spoke about in the NT at John 14:2. "Morontia" is an intermediate state between our material world and the spiritual. Yes, I know you can have a lot of fun with the word. Morontia is the semi material state that Jesus was in when he appeared to his followers after the resurrection. That's why, in the NT, Jesus had to tell (Mary Magdalene) to "touch me not." (John 20:17)

10/6/2017 3:35:57 AMAre Tubbies Christians? 

followjesusonly
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Quote from tonysattva:
Ok so you are a cafeteria christian.


No, I'm not. LOL.

Because I remember a few years back you had a problem with catholics who picked and choosed what parts of the catachism they believed in.

You kept on asking "how are you catholic" when you dont believe in the virgin birth or ressurection.


I think you are mistaken. I think you have confused me with someone else. I don't know any cathlicks who don't believe in the virgin birth or resurrection. Who are they? They're not cathlicks.

I quess its alright for you to pick and choose but not for others.


I am not picking and choosing from their beliefs. I am believing the corrections in God's new revelation.

Seems kind of hypocritical.


I think you are thinking of someone else, and I don't remember you from before, unless you tell me what your previous profile name was.

Anyway what about the Morontia Transit?


I posted it. If you have some more specific questions I'll try to answer them if they aren't snarky. Haha.

10/6/2017 7:30:36 AMAre Tubbies Christians? 

iyamwutiyam
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Quote from followjesusonly:
I am not picking and choosing from their beliefs. I am believing the corrections in God's new revelation.


Revelation is a euphemism for grandiose delusion and psychosis inspired by ancient goat herder folklore and Greek playwrights. The UB just adds a lot of science fiction that was probably inspired by Jules Verne, Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers.

Absurd superstition and religious delusions would find corrections from psychiatric care, cognitive therapy and possibility anti-psychotic meds.

10/6/2017 11:49:48 AMAre Tubbies Christians? 
tonysattva
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Quote from followjesusonly:
I posted it. If you have some more specific questions I'll try to answer them if they aren't snarky. Haha.


It was you when you were Furch and I was Mr Chris. I remember it very clearly.

When I explained how I felt about certain aspects of the catechism and my feeling about reincarnation and The Buddha both you and Mr Crowley attacked me.

The thing about it was I thought you and Crowley were my friends but you savagely attacked my beliefs.

So dont you dare say it wasnt you. You kept on qouteing mining me following from thread to thread harassing over and over again.

"How are you a catholic"

Just because I didnt believe in the virgin birth and had conflicted feelings about the ressurection.

You kept calling me a cafeteria catholic, saying that I was not able to pick and choose.

You said these things were not up for discussion.

Now here you are saying you dont believe in the virgin birth. What Christian denomination does not believe in the virgin birth?

Every christian church both protestant or catholic preach the virgin birth and that this virgin birth is what made christ divine.

So by you choosing not to believe it you yourself are doing the same thing I was doing.

You are picking and choosing what aspects of universally accepted christian theology you choose to practise.

You are a cafeteria christian.

So just own it.

Its alright, spirituality is an ongoing process. I have all but abandoned my catholic faith since I moved away from my hometown family parish. I have totally immersed myself in buddhism. Im not even saying you were wrong when you attacked me. What makes me laugh about you is your two faced hypocrisy.

You said you are not a catholic because you dont believe in things like the virgin birth, but then here you are trying to pass yourself off as a christian when you dont believe in the virgin birth, and everyone knows that the virgin birth is an accepted and universal aspect of christian theology.

But that is not where your hypocrisy ends.

You attack Lud for his belief in praying in saints when saints are mentioned more then 50 times in the NT.

Saints and prayer are mentioned twice in Revelations 8:1-5 in the same sentence.

Where is this Morontia Transit mentioned in the bible?

It is mentioned nowhere. At least catholics can quote bible verse about saints and prayer for their interpretations.

What scripture can you quote to support this Morontia Transit stuff?


So it is alright for you to call yourself christian and not believe in universal christian theology but when someone else does you attack them.

Its ok in your mind to believe in Urantia teachings that are never mentioned in the bible but you attack catholics for their 2000 year old traditions concerning saints and prayer when saints and prayer are spoken of in the same sentence in the bible twice and the existance of saints is mentioned in the bible over 50 times.

Its not what you believe that I am talking about either. I think its nonsense but I dont care. Its your thing.

Its your hypocrisy. Lol.

You attack then go do the same thing.

You are a hypocite.

10/6/2017 12:01:46 PMAre Tubbies Christians? 
tonysattva
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And you are not a christian. You are "other".

But at least you arent as bad as KB.

He claims he is a protestant.

Yeah right.

10/6/2017 2:09:47 PMAre Tubbies Christians? 
lordclarence
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Howz the doggy Tony?



[Edited 10/6/2017 2:10:12 PM ]

10/6/2017 2:14:08 PMAre Tubbies Christians? 
tonysattva
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Quote from lordclarence:
Howz the doggy Tony?


He is good Clarence. He really filled out. 23 pounds.

He loves out here.

How are you?

10/6/2017 2:17:38 PMAre Tubbies Christians? 

olderthandirt20
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I had a similar thread a while back. http://www.iguniter.cf/thread-1444267.htm

10/6/2017 2:23:41 PMAre Tubbies Christians? 
lordclarence
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Quote from tonysattva:


How are you?

Satisfactory. I dogsit for my sister quite often and take her pooch on a regular 4 mile walk. She's only a tiny dog but can run like a rabbit.

10/6/2017 2:33:16 PMAre Tubbies Christians? 
tonysattva
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I just checked. Furchizad*ck claims to be a protestant to.

What protestant church does not preach the virgin birth?

The only ones I can think of are unitarians.

I know the do not believe in the trinity.

And even though they believe Jesus was inspired by god and that he is a saviour they do not believe he is divine. So I am thinking that they probably dont believe in the virgin birth.

They take a rationalist view of things.

Kinda like what Thomas Jefferson was doing with his edited Jefferson Bible.

But I have heard many protestants criticize them that they are not real christians.

But true protestants? How could you even begin to argue that protestants dont believe in a virgin birth.

You cant. It would be irrational to even suggest it.

So if he is a christian he is a cafeteria christian.

The same thing he was calling me.

But he isnt a christian.

He is a Urantia Follower.

He definitely is no dam protestant.

Id like to see him go to the baptists or methodists or episcopalians or prysbetarians or lutherans or one of these evangelical churches and start talking to them about Tubby stuff.

Theyd boot his Tubby a** right out the door.

10/6/2017 2:37:10 PMAre Tubbies Christians? 
tonysattva
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Quote from lordclarence:
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Quote from tonysattva:


How are you?

Satisfactory. I dogsit for my sister quite often and take her pooch on a regular 4 mile walk. She's only a tiny dog but can run like a rabbit.


Mine too. I almost lost the little varmint up by Emerald Lake. Took me close to an hour to find him.

Now I keep him on a long leash and I put a chip in him.



[Edited 10/6/2017 2:37:40 PM ]

10/6/2017 3:25:28 PMAre Tubbies Christians? 

followjesusonly
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Quote from tonysattva:
It was you when you were Furch and I was Mr Chris. I remember it very clearly.


Mr. Chris? From Long Island? The CINO? The Catholic-In-Name-Only? That Mr. Chris? And you finally got out of New York?

When I explained how I felt about certain aspects of the catechism and my feeling about reincarnation and The Buddha both you and Mr Crowley attacked me.


The only thing I would have said about it is that with your beliefs you were not really a Catholic. And I think you said you were a cultural Catholic, you didn't believe all the crap they taught you. Isn't that right? How is that an attack on you?

The thing about it was I thought you and Crowley were my friends but you savagely attacked my beliefs.


Crowley might have, but I didn't. Pointing out that your beliefs were not Catholic beliefs is hardly an attack. You can't call yourself a catholic if you are not.

So dont you dare say it wasnt you. You kept on qouteing mining me following from thread to thread harassing over and over again.


I don't think it went down like that. Seems like I probably blocked you, and I hardly remember "Mr. Crowley." Seems like I probably blocked him too. In any case, you sound like a hurt child now.

"How are you a catholic"

Just because I didnt believe in the virgin birth and had conflicted feelings about the ressurection.


If you don't believe in the virgin birth and the resurrection, you're not much of a cathlick. If I said that before, I'll say it again. It's true.

You kept calling me a cafeteria catholic, saying that I was not able to pick and choose.


You're not able to pick and choose such things IF you are a catholic. You must abide by the company line. That's the nature of Catholicism. If you don't agree with their teachings, find another religion or start your own split off from Catholicism. They are "the one true church" and what they say comes from God and the "infallible pope." If you don't like it or don't agree, move on.

You said these things were not up for discussion.


They are not up for discussion as far as the Catholic church is concerned. When was the last time you talked to a priest about these things?

I am FULLY in favor of your non Catholic ideas. And you have every right to them. But in the Catholic church's eyes, you are not believing what they say you must believe.

Now here you are saying you dont believe in the virgin birth. What Christian denomination does not believe in the virgin birth?


The Urantian or Jesusonian version of Christianity does not believe in the virgin birth. Who is going to excommunicate us? The pope? Jimmy Swaggert? Billy Graham? Who is going to turn us in? And to who? Who is the Grand Authority of Christianity?

Every christian church both protestant or catholic preach the virgin birth and that this virgin birth is what made christ divine.


Urantian doesn't preach that, and no, that's not what makes Jesus divine. Jesus was divine before he came here and God can make the fetus in Mary "divine" in any way God chooses to do so. God doesn't need any man made doctrines of an unnatural "virgin birth" in order to make the fetus in Mary a divine being.

So by you choosing not to believe it you yourself are doing the same thing I was doing.


Not so. What you were doing was claiming to be a cathlick while holding distinctly non cathlick beliefs. I think you said you were a "cultural catholic." That's a cop-out. I applaud your liberated beliefs, I even agree with them (not reincarnation, however), but they're not catholic beliefs and they MUST be in order for you to claim you are a catholic. Talk to a priest about it. Why are you so reluctant to admit that you are not a Catholic at all? Just be honest is all I ask. If you're not a catholic, you're not. There's no shame in that. It's OK.

You are picking and choosing what aspects of universally accepted christian theology you choose to practise.


I see what you are trying to do but there's a big difference between the Catholic ("we are the one true church") and Christianity in general. Christianity is divided into thousands of sects and no two of them agree on everything. Catholicism on the other hand, is a monolith that declares itself and its beliefs to be absolute.

You are a cafeteria christian.

So just own it.


OK. No problem. But you should acknowledge that Catholicism is an entirely different thing from Christianity.

Its alright, spirituality is an ongoing process.


Agreed.

I have all but abandoned my catholic faith since I moved away from my hometown family parish. I have totally immersed myself in buddhism.


Very good. You have done well, imo.

Im not even saying you were wrong when you attacked me. What makes me laugh about you is your two faced hypocrisy.


The Urantia Book is a new revelation to the world and to Christianity. That I can believe it and call myself a Christian is not hypocrisy. I do not believe the "bible" is the word of God. If I believed The Urantia Book and called myself a Catholic, that would be a problem. But Christianity is not the same kettle of fish. Christianity is divided into thousands of sects. There is no one view of what a Christian is, beyond being a follower of Christ.

Continued...

10/6/2017 3:25:47 PMAre Tubbies Christians? 

followjesusonly
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Continuation...



You said you are not a catholic because you dont believe in things like the virgin birth,


Absent quotes, I am not a Catholic because when I was 16 or so I deliberately left the Catholic church. Do you mean I said YOU were not a Catholic because YOU don't believe in the virgin birth, etc.? Yes, that would be true. If you call your self a cathlick and don't believe in the virgin birth, you are a Catholic in name only. A cultural Catholic, you said.

but then here you are trying to pass yourself off as a christian when you dont believe in the virgin birth, and everyone knows that the virgin birth is an accepted and universal aspect of christian theology.


No, everyone does not know that. Have you surveyed everyone? The United Church of Christ does not believe in the virgin birth. Many liberal Christians do not believe in the virgin birth, they have advanced beliefs about it just as you apparently do. Does it bother you now to find that your views on the virgin birth are the same as The Urantia Book's view? LOL. And no, I am not trying very hard to "pass myself off as a Christian." People use labels. That's a natural fact.

But that is not where your hypocrisy ends.

You attack Lud for his belief in praying in saints when saints are mentioned more then 50 times in the NT.


I don't attack Lud for praying to saints except in the sense that Lud is disobeying Jesus. Jesus clearly says to pray to the Father, none other. Lud refuses to obey Jesus because of the doctrines of men. Saints are dead human beings. We should not be praying to dead human beings. Saints are also a peculiar construct of the Catholic church, a replacement for the Roman Pantheon.

Saints and prayer are mentioned twice in Revelations 8:1-5 in the same sentence.


And you, as a Buddhist, put a lot of stock in the Book of Revelation, do you?

The "saints" mentioned there are not Catholic "saints," and The Urantia Book says:

139:4.14 When in temporary exile on Patmos, John wrote the Book of Revelation, which you now have in greatly abridged and distorted form. This Book of Revelation contains the surviving fragments of a great revelation, large portions of which were lost, other portions of which were removed, subsequent to John’s writing. It is preserved in only fragmentary and adulterated form.

Where is this Morontia Transit mentioned in the bible?


I don't know and I don't care. It's new revelation in The Urantia Book. That's what The Urantia Book is, new revelation from God's universe government. It's not an exact clone of the human "bible."

It is mentioned nowhere.


Good. What does that mean then? The bible is right and The Urantia Book is wrong? And as a Buddhist, you believe the bible?

At least catholics can quote bible verse about saints and prayer for their interpretations.


Cathlicks, or anyone, can quote whatever they want to quote. It's a free country. The fact that someone can quote the bible doesn't make them right. And why, as a Buddhist, are you so obsessed with the bible? Are you even a Buddhist at all? And how in the hell can you interpret this in any other way: "But thou, when thou prayest, ...pray to thy Father." (Matthew 6:6)? Those are the words of Jesus, but Revelation 8:1-5 is not.

What scripture can you quote to support this Morontia Transit stuff?


I don't have to quote any "scripture" to support "this Morontia Transit stuff." The Urantia Book is, in places, new revelation. That means it corrects some old wrong ideas or gives us new information or lost information.

So it is alright for you to call yourself christian and not believe in universal christian theology but when someone else does you attack them.


Please direct me to the Official Christian Website that lists all the "universal christian theology." You cannot. In the meantime, there are thousands of different Christian sects.

Its ok in your mind to believe in Urantia teachings that are never mentioned in the bible but you attack catholics for their 2000 year old traditions concerning saints and prayer when saints and prayer are spoken of in the same sentence in the bible twice and the existance of saints is mentioned in the bible over 50 times.


Have you been carrying this hurt around with you for the last 5-10 years, it's been festering? Doesn't your Buddhist meditation help you resolve these things?

Its not what you believe that I am talking about either. I think its nonsense but I dont care. Its your thing.

Its your hypocrisy. Lol.

You attack then go do the same thing.

You are a hypocite.


Sorry, I disagree. But I am happy for you that you seem to have thrown off the Catholic church. Good for you.

10/6/2017 3:29:23 PMAre Tubbies Christians? 

followjesusonly
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Quote from tonysattva:
And you are not a christian. You are "other".

But at least you arent as bad as KB.

He claims he is a protestant.

Yeah right.


A protestant is a non-Catholic Christian. "Protestant" is what it says on my dog tags. I don't know if the Army allows "other" or not.

10/6/2017 3:30:44 PMAre Tubbies Christians? 

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Quote from iyamwutiyam:
Revelation is a euphemism for grandiose delusion and psychosis inspired by ancient goat herder folklore and Greek playwrights. The UB just adds a lot of science fiction that was probably inspired by Jules Verne, Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers.

Absurd superstition and religious delusions would find corrections from psychiatric care, cognitive therapy and possibility anti-psychotic meds.



Internet troll
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In Internet slang, a troll (/'tro?l/, /'tr?l/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting quarrels or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal, on-topic discussion,[3] often for the troll's amusement.

Internet Trolls Are Narcissists, Psychopaths, and Sadists
Trolls will lie, exaggerate, and offend to get a response.


In this month's issue of Personality and Individual Differences, a study was published that confirms what we all suspected: Internet trolls are horrible people.

Let's start by getting our definitions straight: An Internet troll is someone who comes into a discussion and posts comments designed to upset or disrupt the conversation. Often, in fact, it seems like there is no real purpose behind their comments except to upset everyone else involved. Trolls will lie, exaggerate, and offend to get a response.

What kind of person would do this? Some Canadian researchers decided to find out.

They conducted two online studies with over 1,200 people, giving personality tests to each subject along with a survey about their Internet commenting behavior. They were looking for evidence that linked trolling with the "Dark Tetrad" of personality traits: narcissism, Machiavellianism, psychopathy, and sadism.

They found that Dark Tetrad scores were highest among people who said trolling was their favorite Internet activity. To get an idea of how much more prevalent these traits were among Internet trolls, see this figure from the paper:

Look at how low the Dark Tetrad scores are for everyone except the trolls! Their scores for all four traits soar on the chart. The relationship between trolling and the Dark Tetrad is so significant that the authors write in their paper:

"... the associations between sadism and GAIT (Global Assessment of Internet Trolling) scores were so strong that it might be said that online trolls are prototypical everyday sadists." [emphasis added]

Trolls truly enjoy making you feel bad. To quote the authors once more (because this is a truly quotable article): "Both trolls and sadists feel sadistic glee at the distress of others. Sadists just want to have fun ... and the Internet is their playground!"

The next time you encounter a troll online, remember:

These trolls are some truly difficult people.
It is your suffering that brings them pleasure, so the best thing you can do is ignore them.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/your-online-secrets/201409/internet-trolls-are-narcissists-psychopaths-and-sadists

10/6/2017 3:41:55 PMAre Tubbies Christians? 

followjesusonly
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I just checked. Furchizad*ck claims to be a protestant to.

What protestant church does not preach the virgin birth?


What does it matter? Protestantism is not a monolithic body.

The only ones I can think of are unitarians.

I know the do not believe in the trinity.


That's their right. They don't have a religious dictator like the cathlicks do.

And even though they believe Jesus was inspired by god and that he is a saviour they do not believe he is divine. So I am thinking that they probably dont believe in the virgin birth.


Who knows? It doesn't matter.

They take a rationalist view of things.

Kinda like what Thomas Jefferson was doing with his edited Jefferson Bible.

But I have heard many protestants criticize them that they are not real christians.


Criticism happens.

But true protestants? How could you even begin to argue that protestants dont believe in a virgin birth.

You cant. It would be irrational to even suggest it.

So if he is a christian he is a cafeteria christian.

The same thing he was calling me.


I called you a cafeteria Catholic. Not the same.

But he isnt a christian.

He is a Urantia Follower.

He definitely is no dam protestant.


It's sad to see that you have carried this around with you, festering, for as long as it has been.

Id like to see him go to the baptists or methodists or episcopalians or prysbetarians or lutherans or one of these evangelical churches and start talking to them about Tubby stuff.


It would be the same if you went to those churches and started talking about cathlick stuff or Buddhist stuff.

Theyd boot his Tubby a** right out the door.


Very funny. I will meditate for you. Ooom. Ooom. Ooom.

10/6/2017 3:50:45 PMAre Tubbies Christians? 

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Prot·es·tant

noun
1.
a member or follower of any of the Western Christian churches that are separate from the Roman Catholic Church and follow the principles of the Reformation, including the Baptist, Presbyterian, and Lutheran churches.
adjective
1.
relating to or belonging to any of the Protestant churches.

10/7/2017 1:54:17 AMAre Tubbies Christians? 

followjesusonly
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Tony, you should be able to see that comparing cathlickism with Protestantism is comparing apples to oranges. The cathlick church is a single, monolithic religious tyranny. If you don't believe everything they say, you are a heretic that should be tortured and burned at the stake.

Protestantism is 180 degrees different. "Protestant" is an umbrella term that covers thousands of different Protestant sects, all with different beliefs. Just think of Urantian as another Protestant sect if you like. In the meantime, here's some things from Ludlow, your former cathlick stable mate, and again, congratuations on leaving that abomination, no matter what you went to. Buddhism is fine.

Anyone who does not believe in the virgin birth of Christ does not believe in Christ. It's that simple.

Anyone who leaves the Church commits the same sin as Judas Iscariot, Benedict Arnold, and Tokyo Rose.

Rejection of the Catholic Church is the same as rejecting Christ Himself.

Every Christian must choose between Martin Luther, Protestantism, and self-indulgence, or Jesus Christ, Catholicism, and righteousness.

Yes, I speak for God.

Whoever rejects the pope rejects Jesus, and whoever rejects Jesus rejects God.

Catholicism may not be the only Christianity but it is the only true Christianity.

The pope stands in for God.

It is God's will that every human being be converted to the Catholic Church.

The Catholic path is not the best path, it is the only path.

The Catholic Church, [is] the sole authentic interpreter of scripture. We don't need scriptural support. All we need is the teaching of the Church.

The Protestants rebelled against the Church, and on doing so rebelled against God.

The world hates me, because I believe in Christ.

The fires of Hell are merely the fires of God's love.

We need the clergy to forgive us our sins.

You disobey God if you reject the pope, refuse to believe in the Holy Eucharist, refuse to take Communion, refuse to confess your sins, seek another marriage paetner if your first partner is still alive, refuse to believe in Purgatory, refuse to pray for the poor souls in Purgatory, or refuse to venerate Mary. Failure to do even one of the above will result in the loss of your soul.

The Kingdom of God is the Catholic Church.

Only followers of Christ live truly honest and authentic lives.

There are three kinds of Christian believers: heretics, schismatics, and true-believing Catholics.

It is the Father's will that everyone put aside their pet human opinions and private interpretations and become Catholic.

All is darkness outside the Catholic Church.

Oh, how angry the false religionists become, when a Catholic tells the truth.

The Catholic Church is the ONLY church that truly goes by the Bible.

Mary is the Queen of Heaven. The Catholic Church, the Church founded by Christ, says so.

I can prove that Mary is the Queen of Heaven. The Catholic Church says so, and the Church is infallible about things like this.

To reject the pope is to reject God.

Only Catholics have the whole truth about God.

In the Old Covenant people did confess their sins directly to God. In the New Covenant God wants people to confess at least their mortal sins to a priest.

Unmarried non-virgins of both sexes will burn in Hell forever, unless they repent.

By rejecting the Catholic Church you are committing the sin of heresy.

When we obey the Church, we obey Jesus. When we disobey the Church, we disobey Jesus.

Catholics are allowed to have opinions about those things the Church does not have a specific teaching on. Catholics are NOT allowed, by the Catholic church, to have opinions about those things the Church has a specific teaching on.

St. Therese of Lisieux, pray for us.

Catherine Emerich says Matthew tracked down the three wise men and baptized them.

The Catholic Church is mentioned all throughout the New Testament.

Louie claims to be a true-believing Catholic, but believes many things that contradict Church teachings.

...the Church is Jesus, and Jesus is the Church.

God is so good, God considers it an outrage if someone rejects His love.

Membership in the Church is only one of many things required for salvation.

[Pope] Francis is an utter idiot and is one of the worst popes in history.

Protestants can go to Heaven, too, if they give up their false beliefs and convert to Catholicism.

No one goes to the Father except by the Catholic Church.

Once we are cut off from the papacy, we wither and die.


[All of the above is from Ludlow the cathlick. It's all I have time for, but there's more where that came from.]

10/7/2017 2:58:56 PMAre Tubbies Christians? 

followjesusonly
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Here's a keeper:

"A penis can ethically go into only two places: (1) a urinal, (2) a wife." -Ludlow, the "I speak for God," cathlick.

Now where did Tony go?

10/8/2017 8:46:09 AMAre Tubbies Christians? 

isna_la_wica
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Are Tubbies Christians?


Just my opinion, but the label "Christian " is covered by a very large and diverse tent, with many smaller tents with in that.

I do not think, one can or should judge each person who frequents one particular tent or another if they are Christian or not, based on the tent they reside in.

There is a huge difference between judging a particular doctrine espoused by one tent or another, and an individual.

One can argue, whether the particular doctrine is valid as a "Christian" doctrine or not. But to judge the individual who belongs to that sect? Is a different kettle of fish all together.

If one says, that you can judge them, based on the doctrine of the tent? Then one is saying, they cannot be a Christian because their doctrine is wrong. But that would mean, its belief in the Doctrine, or the Doctrine it self then, that has the authority over who is a Christ follower or not.

{A few Roman Catholics do just that. Also many others who claim that they are the exclusive patent holders on Christ}.

But does being wrong about a doctrine, mean they are rejected by Christ? If that is the case, then only those that can read, understand the complexities of doctrines , can call them selves a "Christian". In other words, its doubtful that the thief on the Cross for example, understood doctrine, So would that negate him as being a "Christian"? Even though, Jesus said he was ?

How many of us, have changed our mind about a particular doctrine? I sure have. Does that mean, I was not a "Christian " when I was mistaken? Maybe, I am wrong on a doctrine right now, does that mean, I am not one till I change my mind?

I think a better question would be, are doctrines in Urantia, Christian or not.

What is the criteria for being a "Christian"? Me? I really question the validity of all the modern day prophet based denominations. Urantia has a lot of company in that. Strangely, most are North American created and inspired sects. Not sure why that is to be honest.

But you have Mormons, SDA, some Pentecostals , JW`s , and Apostolic`s, who all claim out side the Bible authority based on modern day, or revelations of some sort, Prophets ( or Pope).

So its just not "Tubbies" who do this. I would argue with all of them, that they follow poor doctrine, sure, no problem.

But am never going to say they are not Christian them selves, because I think they are wrong on doctrine. How can I? I might be wrong my self on something my self..

And we only have one person post Cross, who we are told is with Christ today. The thief on the Cross called Dismas. And doctrine had nothing to do with it.

Believing in Urantia, might make you wrong about some things, but no,it does not mean that you cannot be a Christian.

I consider Furch a Christian, but do not necessarily think some of his beliefs are right.



[Edited 10/8/2017 8:48:06 AM ]

10/8/2017 10:27:53 AMAre Tubbies Christians? 

kb2222
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Quote from tonysattva:
And you are not a christian. You are "other".

But at least you arent as bad as KB.

He claims he is a protestant.

Yeah right.

I don't recall ever claiming to be a protestant as I am non-denominational and I certainly don't believe the church's claim that everything in the Bible is Gods inspired and infallible word as the Bible is full of inconsistencies and contradictions and rampant with the murder of people for all sorts of absurd reasons and if you think that makes me "bad" you need to have your head examined. Jesus revealed Gods true loving and caring nature and as a true and sincere follower of His teachings I reject all scripture that is incompatible with His teachings as should everyone who sincerely desires to believe as Jesus believed and thus to become more like Him.

If you have a problem with this then you have a PROBLEM.

10/8/2017 10:32:43 AMAre Tubbies Christians? 
tonysattva
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Okay, but this Urantia stuff is wacked.

We havent even touched upon the eugenic xenophobic stuff it espouses.

Casheyesblond had a thread about it.

Some of the stuff the espouse was right out of Hitlers playbook.

KB has been on here saying he believes certain undesirables should be sterilized. Even against their will.

And when you look into the urantia book you cant help but see that these undesirables would be choosen along racial lines.

When you believe in evil like that I just dont see how you can call yourself a Christian.

Are the members of the westboro baptist church christians?

I quess if you think they are then this urantia ilk can be called christians in your mind.

But if you take the stand that the westboro baptist church doesnt preach true christianity then I dont see how you wouldnt say the same about this urantia stuff.

What they preach is racist eugenics and xenophobic prejudice.

Its evil.

Its not Christian.

10/8/2017 10:51:06 AMAre Tubbies Christians? 
tonysattva
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When it came to undesirables Christ was inclusive.

You speak off the two theives crucified with Jesus.

From what I know of urantia teachings it sound to me like they would like to be the ones who hammer in the nails to people they deem undesirable.

While the are forcibly sterilizing their friends and family.LOL.

10/8/2017 10:51:28 AMAre Tubbies Christians? 

kb2222
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Why don't you get serious and respond to my post and say with what you agree or disagree?

Your simple "Okay" followed by unsupported accusations I find disingenuous at best.

Casheyesblond like some other so-called "Christians" on this forum has had me blocked for years now because she can't bring herself to honestly respond to my posts and questions. The UB is not racists at all.

The authors of the UB advocate man at some time take "humane" steps to improve the racial reproductive strain of mankind but it leaves the matter solely in the hands of mankind stating that the problem is that there are a lack of competent judges to make such determinations so why do you have a problem with this?



[Edited 10/8/2017 10:52:41 AM ]

10/8/2017 11:03:59 AMAre Tubbies Christians? 
tonysattva
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I was responding to Isna la wica when I said okay.

I hadnt noticed your posts KB.

But Isna la wica was talking about doctrine and the doctrine being wrong.

I think with the urantia book it is so wrong that it just isnt christian doctrine.

Its evil and totally unchristian.

10/8/2017 11:12:59 AMAre Tubbies Christians? 
tonysattva
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Quote from kb2222:
Why don't you get serious and respond to my post and say with what you agree or disagree?

Your simple "Okay" followed by unsupported accusations I find disingenuous at best.

Casheyesblond like some other so-called "Christians" on this forum has had me blocked for years now because she can't bring herself to honestly respond to my posts and questions. The UB is not racists at all.

The authors of the UB advocate man at some time take "humane" steps to improve the racial reproductive strain of mankind but it leaves the matter solely in the hands of mankind stating that the problem is that there are a lack of competent judges to make such determinations so why do you have a problem with this?


To improve the racial reproductive strain?

Wow. You dont even realize what a racist thing that is to say, do you KB.

Just how do you suggest we improve the racial reproductive strain of mankind?

Also the urantia book talks about Adam and Eve being members of the violet race.

Can you please describe the violet race?

10/8/2017 11:30:18 AMAre Tubbies Christians? 
cupocheer
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I can!

Ask me! Ask me!

10/8/2017 11:33:27 AMAre Tubbies Christians? 

kb2222
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Quote from tonysattva:
I was responding to Isna la wica when I said okay.

I hadnt noticed your posts KB.

But Isna la wica was talking about doctrine and the doctrine being wrong.

I think with the urantia book it is so wrong that it just isnt christian doctrine.

Its evil and totally unchristian.

Perhaps you should either quote who you are responding to or at least identify them. Isna is another so-called "Christian" who keeps me blocked because he can't bring himself to honestly respond to my posts and answer my questions and if you had any real "Christian" sense you would see a great deal of EVIL in the Bible attributed to God. You can distinguish good from evil, can't you?

But go ahead and respond to my post and tell me with what you agree or disagree.
Here I will repeat my post. I said:

"I don't recall ever claiming to be a protestant as I am non-denominational and I certainly don't believe the church's claim that everything in the Bible is Gods inspired and infallible word as the Bible is full of inconsistencies and contradictions and rampant with the murder of people for all sorts of absurd reasons and if you think that makes me "bad" you need to have your head examined. Jesus revealed Gods true loving and caring nature and as a true and sincere follower of His teachings I reject all scripture that is incompatible with His teachings as should everyone who sincerely desires to believe as Jesus believed and thus to become more like Him.

If you have a problem with this then you have a PROBLEM."

10/8/2017 11:43:59 AMAre Tubbies Christians? 
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Quote from cupocheer:
I can!

Ask me! Ask me!


Keep it in your pants cupocheese.

10/8/2017 11:46:14 AMAre Tubbies Christians? 
tonysattva
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Why would you even mention race when talking about improving human "reproductive strains" if you werent a racist.



[Edited 10/8/2017 11:46:36 AM ]

10/8/2017 11:58:14 AMAre Tubbies Christians? 

kb2222
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Tonysattva, why are you evading quoting my post 10/8/2017 12:33:27 PM and telling me with what you agree or disagree? If all you can do is make one unsupported accusation after another while evading a sincere response to what I say and ask I see no reason to continue such a disingenuous discussion with you.

I thought Buddhist's valued truth and sincerity?



[Edited 10/8/2017 12:00:22 PM ]

10/8/2017 12:08:27 PMAre Tubbies Christians? 

ludlowlowell
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You're a reasonable guy, KB. Why can't you recognize that eugenics = racism = evil? Eugenics was at the core of the Nazi philosophy.

10/8/2017 12:24:16 PMAre Tubbies Christians? 

kb2222
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Quote from ludlowlowell:
You're a reasonable guy, KB. Why can't you recognize that eugenics = racism = evil? Eugenics was at the core of the Nazi philosophy.

The word eugenics appears only one time in the UB and it refers to the humane improvement of the human reproductive strain. You are a screwed up and devious man, Ludlow. Anyone such as you who makes all those assertions listed by FJO and has the blasphemous audacity to claim to speak for God while asserting "God had Jesus crucified to show man how horrible sin is" is clearly doing the work of Satan.

10/8/2017 12:38:29 PMAre Tubbies Christians? 

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There is nothing humane about Nazis taking handicapped people to Auschwitz and gassing them, KB.

Oh yeah, it improved the gene pool.

10/8/2017 12:43:21 PMAre Tubbies Christians? 

kb2222
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Who said there was, Ludlow? Hitler was a despicable horrible mass murderer. You are a sick devious man doing the work of Satan and that's why you make these ludicrous comparisons/accusations.



[Edited 10/8/2017 12:43:57 PM ]

10/8/2017 1:11:32 PMAre Tubbies Christians? 
tonysattva
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KB I rKB didnt answer my guestion but the violet race that the urantia book says adam and eve belobged too were light skinned blue eyed and blonde.

Lol.

10/8/2017 1:17:21 PMAre Tubbies Christians? 
cupocheer
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Quote from tonysattva:
KB I rKB didnt answer my guestion but the violet race that the urantia book says adam and eve belobged too were light skinned blue eyed and blonde.

Lol.


You're WRONG

10/8/2017 1:27:46 PMAre Tubbies Christians? 

kb2222
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Quote from kb2222:
Tonysattva, why are you evading quoting my post 10/8/2017 12:33:27 PM and telling me with what you agree or disagree? If all you can do is make one unsupported accusation after another while evading a sincere response to what I say and ask I see no reason to continue such a disingenuous discussion with you.

I thought Buddhist's valued truth and sincerity?


10/8/2017 1:54:18 PMAre Tubbies Christians? 

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Quote from kb2222:
Who said there was, Ludlow? Hitler was a despicable horrible mass murderer. You are a sick devious man doing the work of Satan and that's why you make these ludicrous comparisons/accusations.


YOU support Nazi eugenics and that makes ME horrible and despicable? How do you figure that, KB?

10/8/2017 2:11:53 PMAre Tubbies Christians? 

kb2222
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You are a sick devious man doing the work of Satan and that's why you make these ludicrous comparisons/accusations.